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T. Drake · Nov 02, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack

Well if you are not referring to a warrior tank, then check the appropriate sub forum for whatever you are using. The bottom line is tanking suck's(especially OF tank, its a terrible build).Whatever you use as a frontliner it should be dealing dmg as a priority not loading up on useless defence skill's, it's really not difficult for monk's to keep the frontline standing. A frontliner who deals dmg is an asset to the team, a frontliner who does nothing but absorb damage is a waste of a party slot.

QFT

I had to learn this the hard way twice today and hell they were just Charrs.

*goes back into his corner*

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 02, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Consider that the warrior's job in the holy trinity IS to tank. Nothing more. The defense skills HAVE to be loaded up on because most monks I've encountered are morons that think you can powerheal through all damage. Perhaps if I were in a PvE Guild, or the average IQ of the majority of the guild war's population was raised by 100 points, I would be able to run Ursan a bit more often.

Furthermore, what is a warrior whom is blocking going to do to the 100+ AL of the warriors he is blocking?

Carboplatin · Nov 02, 2007, 05:13 AM // 05:13

its funny how people argue what kind of tank is REQUIRED to plow throught slavers exile. I am the main tank for our entire alliance when it comes to slavers.

I don't care who joins my party really and i don't ever run obsidian tank. The only profession that i insist on bringing is the necro to get rid of bodies cause i really hate wasting time on minions.

Our guild/alliance can plow thru any dungeon in slavers in 30min (NM)or so and we always let people run whatever build they want for the most part, i usually ask someone to bring FS and some thing to go get rid of the corpses. we have done duncan in HM and the extra time from the running mobs due to aoe is the only thing slowing us down.

maybe some of you are just in the wrong guild, often times when forming groups for slavers, around 4-5 times a week, people in my alliance asks "what build do u want me to run?" my usual response is, whatever u want just kill stuff, as long as we have our FS and corpse necro.

my guildmate is an avid dervish fan and he tanks slavers just fine. i've seen him do it while dishing out damage. We even go with multiple mesmers when our mesmer fans are online. Its not what profession that is in the party, it is the people that are playing.

and henchie monks are more then enought for anyone of those dungeons.

edit - cause i can't spell =P

mage767 · Nov 02, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

The OP referred to DOA as well. So yes, Obsidian tank is still the number 1 anti-casting tanking skill, period.

Whoever feels confident with Slavers H/H - please try the same in any of DOA areas, and report back your findings.

I never said Slavers cannot be done without Obsidian. With Sab's necro build, 3 of 4 Slaver areas can be done in NM with H/H. Obsidian flesh becomes a necessity in PUG groups when you are bound to find a few noobs (it gets worse if that noob is your prot/heal monk)

In addition, whoever thinks a tank should do damage in Slavers should go and get his eye checked. Or better, ask Anet to implement some sort of system that shows side-by-side comparison of damage done by tank and those done by eles and splinter barrage rangers.

People with primary tanks have some of the lowest IQs of all GW players.

Free Wind · Nov 02, 2007, 08:05 AM // 08:05

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Originally Posted by mage767

The OP referred to DOA as well. So yes, Obsidian tank is still the number 1 anti-casting tanking skill, period.

Whoever feels confident with Slavers H/H - please try the same in any of DOA areas, and report back your findings.

OF tanking sucks bad, it's a well known for those who can play. Even before they made DoA a joke, you never needed any OF tanks to finish it.
Oh yeah, and here is ' the finding' from the early days of DoA:

Carboplatin · Nov 02, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

The OP referred to DOA as well. So yes, Obsidian tank is still the number 1 anti-casting tanking skill, period.

Whoever feels confident with Slavers H/H - please try the same in any of DOA areas, and report back your findings.

I never said Slavers cannot be done without Obsidian. With Sab's necro build, 3 of 4 Slaver areas can be done in NM with H/H. Obsidian flesh becomes a necessity in PUG groups when you are bound to find a few noobs (it gets worse if that noob is your prot/heal monk)

In addition, whoever thinks a tank should do damage in Slavers should go and get his eye checked. Or better, ask Anet to implement some sort of system that shows side-by-side comparison of damage done by tank and those done by eles and splinter barrage rangers.

People with primary tanks have some of the lowest IQs of all GW players.

after reading that last sentence i am sure 95% of all people in this thread will disregard any argument you just brought to the table. thank you.

boarderx · Nov 02, 2007, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

The OP referred to DOA as well. So yes, Obsidian tank is still the number 1 anti-casting tanking skill, period.

Whoever feels confident with Slavers H/H - please try the same in any of DOA areas, and report back your findings.

I never said Slavers cannot be done without Obsidian. With Sab's necro build, 3 of 4 Slaver areas can be done in NM with H/H. Obsidian flesh becomes a necessity in PUG groups when you are bound to find a few noobs (it gets worse if that noob is your prot/heal monk)

In addition, whoever thinks a tank should do damage in Slavers should go and get his eye checked. Or better, ask Anet to implement some sort of system that shows side-by-side comparison of damage done by tank and those done by eles and splinter barrage rangers.

People with primary tanks have some of the lowest IQs of all GW players.

lmao, oh man thats funny, its a joke right?

and as far as tanks not doing dmg, that made me laugh, i derv tank in salvers and have a blast doing so. When you can hold/pull aggro right, absorb dmg, hit hard, it is always a fun time. I also hit for 100+ dmg often making the derv a good tank and source of dmg (believe it or not). If there is someone that puts great dwarf weapon on me, then gg, that is damn fun. When tanking i have my high armor going, self heals, and dmg spikes, oh yeah i dont run Obs Flesh either, i hate it and get this...i have great success, lol.

Dont get me wrong, warrior tanks are great too, and i find that they do a better job in some situations but its all about the person playing, if they know what they are doing then your golden. Honestly, ive about given up on PUGs because there are too many leavers, and my allies/guildies are awesome to team up with cuz they listen, lol.

h/h slavers is also possible, but if you do that you need to be the tank cuz trick to slavers is tanking it correctly. If the tank is holding aggro and goes down then the rest of the group might as well run in most cases.

Since my other main profession is a monk, ive found SoA to be a great skill to apply to the tank. Slavers is easy if you cover some key points.

EDIT:
I agree 100% with R Langdon

Crom The Pale · Nov 02, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Yet one more reason 7 heros is needed.

People are just not able to play nice together, seams its human nature to hate that which you do not understand.

mage767 · Nov 02, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

after reading that last sentence i am sure 95% of all people in this thread will disregard any argument you just brought to the table. thank you.

The warrior is using monk bonds. You call that 'tanking'? Besides, Slavers doesn't use the 3rd bond-dedicated monk.

Great Dwarf weapon is ok, but it doesn't beat Sliver armor. The dps of the latter is far higher in tighter groups, and is obviously much easier to use. Tanks DON'T have to show muscle-power while tanking. Use what is best for the whole team!

Monique · Nov 02, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack

Where the hell are you playing? I have not found that at all.

THK MONK MURSAAT BOSS

TY.

Whiskeyjack · Nov 02, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Consider that the warrior's job in the holy trinity IS to tank. Nothing more. The defense skills HAVE to be loaded up on because most monks I've encountered are morons that think you can powerheal through all damage. Perhaps if I were in a PvE Guild, or the average IQ of the majority of the guild war's population was raised by 100 points, I would be able to run Ursan a bit more often.

Furthermore, what is a warrior whom is blocking going to do to the 100+ AL of the warriors he is blocking?

So what's your argument, that you should run bad builds because you are playing with bad players?

What is a warrior going to do vs a 100AL target? They will do what warriors do best, kill stuff. Warriors(like most physicals) excel at dps, if you have trouble understanding that I suggest you have a look at the warrior sub forum where their are many threads that deal with this topic.

Carboplatin · Nov 02, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by mage767

The warrior is using monk bonds. You call that 'tanking'? Besides, Slavers doesn't use the 3rd bond-dedicated monk.

I made no comment on the warrior with bonds. i was simply refering to what you said in your post. The simple fact you made a blanket statement about all warriors in gw tells me something about you. If someone wants to run bonds, thats their choice and it gets the job done, whats the problem?

When i H/H any part of slaver i only bring the two hench monks. I don't even bring a self heal, as a matter of fact, the only healing is from the two hench monks. My heros are all damage dealers. I don't need paragons to buff me. I don't need rits to heal. I don't run obsidian. I can do it with or without ursan, depending on how lazy i am that day.

Not trying to say that i am the best gw player because i am not. I am just saying there are more builds out there then obsidian flesh. try them.

Carboplatin · Nov 02, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

Great Dwarf weapon is ok, but it doesn't beat Sliver armor. The dps of the latter is far higher in tighter groups, and is obviously much easier to use. Tanks DON'T have to show muscle-power while tanking. Use what is best for the whole team!

haha nice edit to take out what you said about running bonds btw. you did that while i was typing my post above.

mage767 · Nov 02, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Langdon

I made no comment on the warrior with bonds. i was simply refering to what you said in your post. The simple fact you made a blanket statement about all warriors in gw tells me something about you. If someone wants to run bonds, thats their choice and it gets the job done, whats the problem?

When i H/H any part of slaver i only bring the two hench monks. I don't even bring a self heal, as a matter of fact, the only healing is from the two hench monks. My heros are all damage dealers. I don't need paragons to buff me. I don't need rits to heal. I don't run obsidian. I can do it with or without ursan, depending on how lazy i am that day.

Not trying to say that i am the best gw player because i am not. I am just saying there are more builds out there then obsidian flesh. try them.

Screenshots from FORGE please, ty. We already know Slavers can be H/H 75% of the time. Many people, including myself, have already done it.

mage767 · Nov 02, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

haha nice edit to take out what you said about running bonds btw. you did that while i was typing my post above.

Added it back.

Carboplatin · Nov 02, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

Screenshots from FORGE please, ty. We already know Slavers can be H/H 75% of the time. Many people, including myself, have already done it.

I will keep that in mind, next time i h/h forge i'll take one just for you. Although most of the times i run with guildies.

boarderx · Nov 02, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

just have fun with slavers and let the tank do his thing and at the right time start the killing and you'll see how fun slavers can be.

imo, there is no template team build for slavers

Death Heavens · Nov 02, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

And this is why I dont PUG. Because of close minded trinity-workshipping people.
We did Thommis in 11 Minutes the other day, booyah!
I will take a screenshot the next time we are in Forge

MelechRic · Nov 02, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Here's one of me H/H'ing Forge...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Forgewight.jpg

A little DP because I was stupid at the end. Also, this is my weakest build for Forge. I'm preparing a long post in the Rit forum for H/H'ing Forge on a Rit. Also, my better builds don't involve 3 necros.

mage767 · Nov 02, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Here's one of me H/H'ing Forge...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Forgewight.jpg

A little DP because I was stupid at the end. Also, this is my weakest build for Forge. I'm preparing a long post in the Rit forum for H/H'ing Forge on a Rit. Also, my better builds don't involve 3 necros.

It does include 2 necros from Sab's build

. You don't need the MM because forge doesn't need one.

Preparing spirits beforehand and then aggroing will work, but it won't be optimal as your DP pointed out.

But still kudos on finishing Forge H/H.